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Poster: light into ashes Date: Aug 24, 2008 12:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 72 Creation vs 77 Execution ?????

Question doesn't make sense.... '72 is an extremely tight year, and there are very few '72 shows that feel sloppy or loose (whereas in late '77 they seem to be slipping in some shows) - so in that sense '72 is all about execution.

They did have more new songs in '72 - the big set-2 jams were so groundbreaking they could be called new material too. '77 also seems stiff to me in comparison - the band doesn't go 'outside' as often, and they're a lot less agile. It has been said that Keith Olsen's demands for studio practice did make for well-rehearsed sets, which is probably true for the new Terrapin songs. (But then Europe '72 is practically a studio album as well!)

What's with the comment about the Dead's "well-known aversion to rehearsals"? Maybe that was the case in their burnt-out later days when they were writing hardly any new songs and avoiding the studio, but it's not true of their first decade. Even leaving aside the constant rehearsals of the '60s, this band had spent the whole first half of '75 rehearsing Blues for Allah, another big chunk of time in '77 for Terrapin, plus countless hours practicing for the '76 shows. The Dead could not have sounded like they did without being rehearsal-crazy. But again, those habits probably changed after '77.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Aug 27, 2008 7:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 72 Creation vs 77 Execution ?????

You could really make the argument that BOTH years were stellar examples of creation and execution.

1972 ushered in a wealth of new material--songs that had yet to appear on a studio release like "Jack Straw", "Ramble", "He's Gone", etc., and the shows themselves, as evidenced by the entire Europe '72 run, the Stanley Theater NJ shows, and Veneta in August, are all extremely tight and well-played.

But the same is true of 1977: Excellent new material emerges from the Terrapin Station release--songs that would remain staples of the band's live shows right up til the end. The shows themselves are--to my mind--the BEST in terms of fluidity combined with tightness; relaxed presentations that also provide spell bounding moments up jamming fury.

The May '77 shows reflect the "Perfect Brothers" aspect of execution...the June Winterland run and late fall shows like my favorite 10/29/77 and the December Winterland run to end the year showcase the hard rocking fury.

You can't go wrong with either year, IMO...but I would not say one is more "creative" or "tight" than the other.

I would only argue that 1977 wins out by a nose in the end b/c you have the added gravy of hearing a lot of those 1972 songs in greater expanded versions (think "Jack Straw" with its more intense jams) in addition to the new songs like "Estimated" "samson" and "Terrapin."